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primetrucks
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Username: primetrucks
Post Number: 16
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 02:32 pm: | 
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took jug off to do some clean up work and under where the jug meets the two halfs i found some letters stamped. it said foreman toronto anyone ever seen this before and what it means? thanks jamie |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2591
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 06:36 pm: |
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Jamie
I have never seen an ad anywhere by Foreman, one of the Canadian Co's that didn't advertise in US ?
My notes have them established 1909-10 ca.
They were a very progressive mfgr and made several engs two and four cycle and were still advertising engs in 1924, shortly thereafter they changed their name to Foreman Marine Equipment Co.discontinued engine sales and were a full line marine hardware and accessory Co.in their 30's catalog they still advertised their own reverse gears but no engines.
This photo from an old sales pamphlet is in mid teens,shows a lot of St Lawrence traits .
Your Waterman clone is the first one that I have heard of that says foreman although other canadian mfgrs had rights to make them in Canada as well !
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bgoss
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Username: bgoss
Post Number: 164
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 07:47 pm: |
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Are you able to post a photo of the stamping, Jamie? |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 559
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 10:46 pm: |
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From what I recall about the copper jacket engines in DisPro boats, there were 2 manufacturing runs by a company located on Dufferin Ave in Toronto - D R Clarke Ltd.
They apparently had a license to manufacture the Waterman engines in Canada.
I'll see what more detail I can get.
Miro |
ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 1317
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 07:51 am: |
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Perhaps Foreman simply did the castings |
primetrucks
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Username: primetrucks
Post Number: 17
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 02:23 pm: |
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the id tag is gone but it had 4 mounting holes in each corner it is 1 1/2x 3 1/2 square |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2592
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 07:45 pm: |
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The square four screw tag may be significant,
All of the Waterman tags I have photos of are round or oval and soldered on ?
This Foreman has a square 4 screw tag.
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mechman1
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Username: mechman1
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 09:56 pm: |
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Goodday all As far as I know D.R. Clarke (who invented the Clarke Troller)went into business around 1936-7 too late to make the copper jackets. (I interviewed him in 1979). H.W. Knight of Toronto made the Dispro tagged engines for a few years,but this is the first I have heard of Foreman making them! |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2594
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:43 am: |
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This Wilson from Montreal was posted here, anymore info on this Company ?
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mechman1
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Username: mechman1
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:13 pm: |
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Goodday I have one of the "Wilson Montreal"(name on timer only) that looks the same as yours. I found cast into the bottom of the aluminum muffler was the name A.D. Fisher --This was another Toronto co. that I think may have made the "Dispro engines for a while (no proof as yet) |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2595
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 07:31 am: |
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"Kingfisher"
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 320
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 11:05 am: |
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Another Kingfisher.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2605
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 08:11 am: |
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Keith
Thanks for the tag photo !
only have Two Kingfisher tags in photo files, this one in 19 Thousands the other in 25 thousands, Seems like very large serial numbers for so few engines ??
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 321
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 02:32 pm: |
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Richard,
I think Kingfisher was fairly early, as my engine has a small bore relative to the DisPro brand. |
ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 1325
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 08:58 pm: |
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All the SN info is in the Dippy book. |
bcm
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Username: bcm
Post Number: 20
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 07:29 pm: |
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Here is information about Kingfisher and other engines used in Dispros. This, as Ernie pointed out in his post, is included in the "The Greatest Little Motor Boat Afloat by Dodington, Fossey, Gockel, Ogilvie, & Smith, published 1983 with full history about Disappearing Propeller Boats.
The Kingfisher engine used in 1918, about 70 boats built, also used 1919 about 200 boats built. Total Dispro production from 1916 to 1958 about 3000 boats using the various engines listed in the attached summary.
Note that Kingfisher bore is 2 3/4". When Silent Dispros were manufactured by Knight Metal, bore was increased to 2 7/8".
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j56731
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Username: j56731
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 10:43 am: |
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mechman1 trying to contact you, you said you interviewwed mr D.R Clarke in 1979? any idea where he is now? i own one of his clarke trollers and was wondering if he would no where i could get some parts! thanks |
foxman
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Username: foxman
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 09:28 pm: |
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Hello j56731
This is hearsay, as the legal profession says-so
I knew a man named Jim Smith, a premier antique outboard collector out of Toronto, who had some Clarke Trollers as well a Clarke prototype outboard jet. He told me he tried to contact Mr. Clarke but was but was rebuffed. Mr. Clarke was not willing to discuss his outboard inventions (he was an engineer and did have some other more successful ideas) Mr. Clarke died in the early 1980's and Mr. Smith is also gone now, so what you have is pretty much self explanatory. Maybe Mechman had more luck with Mr. Clarke. I don't know how many trollers were made, possibly 200 at the most. The only place you can get parts is off another troller, unfortunately. |
Laurin Jeffrey
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| | Posted on Friday, October 21, 2016 - 10:32 am: |
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This is great! I have been trying to research a building in Toronto, 43 Britain Street. A few things led me to A. D. Fisher Co. being in that building at some point. This site has lots about A. D. Fisher Co., but nothing on where they were physically located. Any light anyone could shed on it would be very much appreciated.
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bgoss
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Username: bgoss
Post Number: 240
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 01:53 pm: |
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Laurin - sorry to say that there isn't too much documenting Kingfisher. Literature is quite hard to find.
I have a note of 'A.J.Fisher' selling blueprints for 2 and 4 stroke motors at 239 Major Street, Toronto in 1909. No idea of the connection, if any, to A.D.Fisher.
Later Toronto city directories (c.1917-1919) show 'Fisher Electric Co.' at 43 Britain, with Alex D. Fisher as President and Manager. Unknown if this is the same A.D.Fisher (no marine engines mentioned in directories, only electrical equipment). His house was at 4 Roxborough E.
Do you have a photo of the old building that you could share?
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