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barry
Advanced Member
Username: barry
Post Number: 40
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 09:32 am: | 
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Will appreciate opinions re the manufacturer and approximate date re engine illustrated by attached images. It was discovered in Ontario, Canada. It is similar to a St Lawrence, but many details are different and unique such as water pump, solid flywheel, intake manifold , etc.
Barry
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1430
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 07:33 pm: |
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Barry
Consider looking into the Foreman Motor & Machine Co. Ltd. Toronto Canada.
Their engines had many of the similar details as the engine in photos above.
The 90 degree elbow fitting next to the waterpump inlet does it go into the cylinder ? if so probably for a mechanical oiler which would date this eng ( 1909-12 ca) earlier than any Foreman eng I've seen ! Hope this gets you in the right direction . |
barry
Advanced Member
Username: barry
Post Number: 41
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 09:23 am: |
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Thanks Richard for the information. Do you have any pictures or copies of advertisements for Foreman engines?
Barry |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1431
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 11:32 am: |
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I have never seen an ad anywhere by Foreman, one of the Canadian Co's that didn't advertise in US.
My notes have them established 1909-10 ca.
They were a very progressive mfgr and made several engs two and four cycle and were still advertising engs in 1924, shortly thereafter they changed their name to Foreman Marine Equipment Co.discontinued engine sales and were a full line marine hardware and accessory Co.in their 30's catalog they still advertised their own reverse gears but no engines.
This photo from an old sales pamphlet is in mid teens, the st Lawrence look alike heads, solid flywheel, shape of the base and inspection plates are similar.
This file photo shows head design !
Putting the description of your single in my data base only 3 names came up and the other two were eliminated, __still not a for sure ID___ but I think that your eng could very well be a very early version of these engs ?? |
bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:34 pm: |
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Based on the Foreman engines that we've had over the years, I'd say that Barry's engine has more similarities to early St.Lawrence. Possibly prototype??
Looking at Barry's last picture, does the pump have a threaded support screwed into the rear of the crankcase (like St.Lawrence) or is it just the way that the picture was taken? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1856
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:04 pm: |
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In the year and a half since this post I have a bit more data on this subject.
An interesting man John V. Rice Jr designed a mercury make and break ignition in 1898, by 1905 he designed this engine and advertised it, his interests were using the engine for industrial applcations and I believe he sold the rights to use it as a marine engine to several other mfgrs.
1905
The only J.V.Rice engine that I have ever seen is still in excellent condition and is in Dick & Barbara Days Fine marine engine collection.
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bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 06:48 pm: |
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Thanks for this info Richard. That is a good bit of history that fills in some gaps. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2021
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 12:56 pm: |
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Rice Add
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bruce_g
Member
Username: bruce_g
Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 08:06 pm: |
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Hello Barry
In the 1905 ad of the Rice engine you will see that the carb is the same as the early St. Lawrence carb |
