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bud_tierney
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Username: bud_tierney
Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 12:29 am: | 
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Ingram-Hatch Motor Co, Staten Island, built 2Cyl 2 Cycle vertical air cooled marine engines per ads in 1916-18...
They also supposedly built a 4Cyl, 4 cycle air cooled inline Kero engine for their proposed car, the Ingram-Hatch. A prototype chassis was built and shown in 1917; a picture shows a 4Cyl inline motor, cyl's cast separately.
Does anyone here have an old engine book that mentions Ingram-Hatch, and, if so, is there any mention of the 4cyl???
So far I've found nothing to actually prove a running 4cyl was built; auto show reports I've found don't mention if chassis ran under own power or not.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3522
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 11:40 am: |
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The Hatch Oil Engine Company was officially formed in 1911, Walter P Hatch inventor and president of Company, and Clarence W. Hatch.
this is 1912 article from Motor Boat Magazine
1915 the company becomes Ingram Hatch Motor Company.
this is 1917 listing
The automobile endeavor didn't seem to successful but appears that marine engines were manufactured for several Years !
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bud_tierney
Senior Member
Username: bud_tierney
Post Number: 57
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 12:31 pm: |
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Richard, many thanks...
My ISP switched from Google to Yahoo (I don't know why) and Yahoo just doesn't pick up the old stuff. I know a lot of the annual marine engine lists are online;I probably forgot to switch back to Google in the middle of this.
Again, many thanks!!. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3523
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 01:24 pm: |
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Shows 1915 auto - truck chassis and 4 cyl engine
http://www.american-automobiles.com/Ingram-Hatch.html
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3524
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 01:52 pm: |
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Looking into Ingrams history it appears he had tried to bring about the 4 cycle engine for auto / trucks and chassis beginning here in 1915, several articles of his struggle to get capital to expand and actually make this engine are still mentioned in this May 31, 1917 article, ingram was out of business in 1918, would indicate that his endeavor was not met and the engine was never manufactured ???
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 2009
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 02:03 pm: |
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Here is more historical info. I think they were also involved with Stamford power vehicle or some name like that.
I had a Hatch engine. I think John S or Jeff K have it now.
It was made in New London, CT. From what I found many years ago they did manufacture engines there not just badge engineer them. Note the 1901 date
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3525
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2015 - 08:46 pm: |
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Ernie, name was close enough to ring a bell and tie these companies together and solve a several year dilemma !
International Power Vehicle Company established 1901.
Walter P. Hatch President
1911 articles announced the new company Hatch Oil Engine Co. president, designer and patent holder--Walter p. Hatch- but I could never find the patent in his name ?
The 1901 date mentioned in your ad above goes back to International Power Vehicle Company, and I believe these patents were the source.
Patents by Wolcott Remington 1903, US 903774 A, US 951093 A, Also designer Feodor Hirsch.
I think its another piece of Old Marine Engine history put in place !
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 2010
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 09:34 pm: |
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Jeff K's Hatch
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3530
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 12:59 pm: |
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Not many of these Old Marine Engines around, appreciate the photos !
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 439
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 09:26 am: |
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Another Oil Engine
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3534
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 02:36 pm: |
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1908 ad, a company with sales offices in New York and manufactured in Connecticut ?
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3535
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 02:32 pm: |
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Well The Saga continues !
Keith's Engine in above post "International Oil Engine Co." New York was established in 1906 and in 1910 became "American Oil Engine Co."
In mid 1911 it became "Hatch Oil Engine Co."
Small world, one advantage of all this is it dates
Keiths Engine 1906-09.
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 440
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 03:15 pm: |
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It's interesting that patent dates back to 1901 are listed on the tag, but company wasn't formed until 1906. Based on the dates Richard, can you track the patent holder?
Keith |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3536
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 04:56 pm: |
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These posts were very confusing, Chronologically
it goes like this.
1.1901-05 "International Power vehicle Co."
The origin of the patents
Patents by Wolcott Remington 1903, US 903774 A, US 951093 A, Also designer Feodor Hirsch 1901
2. 1906-09 "International Oil Engine Co."
(Keith's engine)
3. 1910-11 "American Oil Engine Co."
4. 1911-14 "Hatch Oil Engine Co."
5. 1915-18 "Ingram-Hatch Motor Co."
Companies 2.-3.-4.-5. were successors to the original International Power Vehicle Co. started by Walter P. Hatch. Hatch was president of each
successor company as well, don't know why so many name changes it was usually a companies difficulty with enough profits to substantiate themselves and new name every time new investors were brought in ?
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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1036
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 08:07 pm: |
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The Union engine has patents starting in 1885 on the tag, I believe the company was formed in 1891. I'll have to search it, probably Regan's patents.  |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3537
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 08:34 pm: |
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J.B.
Type these names in the patents site, Lots of reading !
Patents, Mora M. Barrett, John F.Daly union engine, William L. Corson
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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1038
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 09:14 pm: |
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Thanks Richard, I don't remember Regans first name, but I believe he invented the igniter around 1885, I'll have to go back in my union info to find out. There were lawsuits over infringments, he ended up with Union. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3538
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 09:42 pm: |
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From my notes.
Daniel Regan patented Ignition System in 1880's. A patent dispute with The Pacific Gas Engine Co, This law suit resulted in a merger, and Union Gas Engine Co was new name.
The names in above post had patents with Pacific and Union !
Great old stuff!
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3539
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2015 - 07:13 am: |
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A link to some of the Patents for Union and Pacific gas engines.
https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_rd=ssl#tbm=pts&q=John+F.+Daly+engine
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