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miro
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Username: miro
Post Number: 143
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 09:36 pm: | 
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Here are some pictures of Roy Davies' two cylinder Truscott - about 1905.
I had previously posted some pictures, before the final restoration, but these are from the ACBS Boat Show in Gravenhurst. Roy is a terrifically skilled guy, but doesn't yet have a digital camera.
He is also very astute - so astute that he talked me into swinging the engine over in an attempt to get it to run for the first time in 50+ years - you can see I am working hard.
We got it to sneeze but #2 cylinder seemed to be still asleep - this weekend we'll try again.
Miro
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andrew
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 787
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 10:08 pm: |
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Miro,
Great job with the photos and the "cranking power" on the engine! I have moved this post to the "Truscott" category.
I would like to have people post discussions about a particular make if engine in its' category (if a category exists). I realize this is a change from before... not a problem, and I'm sure it will take awhile to get used to.
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
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1903 Truscott 5HP "Special" motor |
andrew
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 802
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:30 pm: |
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Your engine looks great Tom. Looks like you had it running.
If you register and post using your name and password, it won't say "visitor" below your name... also see this link. |
andrew
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 803
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:31 pm: |
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Hey Miro... did you work up a sweat cranking this weekend...?  ... did it run? |
keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 129
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 10:14 pm: |
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Tom
Is the green Truscott yours? What is the serial no.? I have one that looks similiar but was painted black. I think it's a repaint, so I can't say that it's the origional color. I think they also had a brass hat. Mine doen't but I have seen one that did and it looked good. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 478
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 01:52 am: |
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Tom
Great old engine !
Is there a name on the gas mixer valve ?? |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:38 am: |
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Roy, great looking engine!! (Miro, how's the lower back today?)
My engine has no evidence of the brass cap or the aluminum covers. The tag has "1347" stamped on it.
I think the green color was a complete figment of my imagination in 1974 when I started working
on what I would euphemistically call the "engine"
(really a chunk of rust).
The mixer has no ID of any kind on it and I always assumed Truscott had it made special. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:39 am: |
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 130
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 03:06 pm: |
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Thomas
Could you post some closeups of the mixer. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 153
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 03:30 pm: |
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I'll post some closeups this evening. This is a zoom from that show in 2000 (where the engine was running. Two mods I made: the "throttle" knob in the part of the mixer that screws into the crankcase was something I had to add to get the engine to run slow. The "mushroom valve lift
knob" is also a modification I put in to get the thing to run without jumping all over the place.
I also had to wire down the centrifugal spark advance and add a cam-able bearing to allow an incremental advance-retard adjust. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 154
Registered: 07-2002
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 155
Registered: 07-2002
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 157
Registered: 07-2002
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miro
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Username: miro
Post Number: 144
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 11:11 pm: |
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We had quite a time this past weekend - we managed to get both cylinders to fire - but still would not run. A closer inspection of Roy's work revealed that the way he restored the valve lifters results in the exhaust valve staying open too long ( about 40 degrees of crankshaft rotation too long).
Roy needs help to understand the valve lifter mechanism - since he got the engine in boxes and pieces he really does'nt know what was there or how it was assembled.
I will post some close ups of thelifeter mechaism tomorrow - but in the mantime - does anyone have some ictures of the mechanism? Were there rollers on the lifters? If there were rollers what diamter.
The intake is an atmospheric valve so there is not push rod for the intake.
And YES - I was VERY careful aout my lower back - I made sure I did some warm ups and stretches. But boy does it sound nice when it fires. |
bruce
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Username: bruce
Post Number: 203
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 11:12 pm: |
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Reminds me of a steam radiator valve or steam trap body with add on's. |
miro
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Username: miro
Post Number: 145
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 03:59 pm: |
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Here are the pictures of the valve lifter mechanism ( I just re-read my earlier post and by God is the spelling and typng atrocious) .
You can see the square block that lifts the valve and in the third picture you can see the cam lobe.
Until ROy gets this right that engine will only sneeze, not run.
Miro
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 132
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 04:34 pm: |
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Miro
If you advance the cam timing 20 degrees and give the tappets more clearance, shouldn't that work? |
keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 133
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:17 pm: |
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Tom
I took some pictures of the mixer on my Truscott. It is similiar, but the intake is at
a different location. My serial no. is 1251. I never tried to run mine.
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 134
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:19 pm: |
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I think someone added the choke.
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 169
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:26 pm: |
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I have a 35MM pic of a small Truscott. I'll have to see what that mixer looks like |
roy_davies
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Username: roy_davies
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 07:21 pm: |
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about roys truscott.have made new roller lifters ,found square blocks from my first attempt where in fact to long in duration.now exhaust opens about 15 degrees before bottom dc.and closes just as piston reaches top.after priming it made several revs(6-8)then quit.crice carb seams to be fussey.put it away for the winter and started polishing my brass colection |
miro
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Username: miro
Post Number: 166
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 06:37 am: |
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Roy, any chance of seeing that engine at the Show?
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searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 09:40 pm: |
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I purchased a marine engine brochure on e-Bay (6549752336). The major heading on the cover reads 'Pierce Marine Motors'. The bottom of the cover reads Truscott-Pierce Engine Company, St. Joseph, Michigan, U.S.A.
It was my hope that the brochure would shed some light on Truscott engines but it simply begs more questions.
I have a tagged Truscott, single cylinder, copper jacketed, two cycle, directly connected by a long crankshaft to a 110 DC dynamo. The engine portion does not resemble the Truscott engines presented in this thread nor the two engines pictured in the brochure.
Can anybody enlighten me on the Pierce/Truscott connection or is this an entirely separate company from the Truscott also in St. Joseph that built boats and sold/built engines?
I suspect the dynamo end of my Truscott was built by Engberg also of St. Joseph. Was there a corporate connection between Truscott and Engberg?
Any guesses on who built copper jacketed engines for Truscott or Engberg or is it more likely that this one is simply a 'one off' retag by Truscott that was ordered for a specific boat? |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 831
Registered: 11-2001
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Searcher
Have two pages of notes on these Two Mfgrs, the
story is still unclear ? I keep assembling information to try and put this puzzle together !
Is there a date on your brochure ?
Posible to scan the engines in brochure and send to me or post here?
Possible to post or send photos of your engine ? |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 283
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:13 am: |
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When I was in St. Joseph , Mich years ago I went to the historical society. They had a lot of information on Truscott. I was allowed to Xerox newspaper clippings they had on Truscott and also the few Truscott catalogues in their possession.
There was a Truscott Boat & Dock Co. there that did a lot of Army work in WW2
Truscott Boat Co. (1936) on Wayne St. was moving into the travel trailer manufacturing arena
There is a 1930 clipping that gives a history of the Co. "...came here in 1892...was organized in 1887 in Grand Rapids...the original buildings were on the Morrison channel near the Mich. Central RR track.....the Truscott Brothers, all veteran boat builders, have completed their new factory it is 46 X 78 and 3 stories...they are specializing on light wooden outboard boats...."
A 1932 clipping mentions the ".....Truscott Boat Co has received an order for 29 40 passenger boats for use during the Chicago worlds fair......powered by model A convertible motors..."
A 1949 clip "....defunct Truscott Boat & Dock Co. may sell waterfront leases to a Chicago syndicate.......The Truscott Co...took over the Dachel-Carter Co....located on the old ship chanel...Truscott into bankrupcy almost a year....the machinery and other movable assets were sold at public auction last summer (of 1948)
There is a lot more but I'm trying to get ready for an engine show on Sat. |
searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2004
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Richard and Thomas,
Thanks for responding. The history of these companies is fascinating for the twists and turns. Maybe when I retire I will have the opportunity to sort one or two of them out.
I will post some photos of both the Truscott dynamo and the Truscott-Pierce Brochure as soon as I get time. My busy season runs until about December each year so everything but work is sporadic up until then. |
Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 108
Registered: 10-2004
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This Truscott is SN 1243, Keith's is SN 1251. Discussion in this thread indicates a date for these two as 1902 or 1903 based on the lack of a support for the outboard end of the ignitor axle, location of the exhaust opening in relation to the water jacket, and two flanges on the crankshaft. Has there been any more recent research that would alter this date estimate? Is there any consensus as to color of the Truscotts, blue, black or both? I don't normally paint my engines but this one had been repainted about 20 years ago. Given that, I would repaint it to the original color if it was other than black. Did Truscott polish the outer surface of the flywheel? What brand(s) of oilers and grease cups did Truscott use? The opening on the aft end of this Truscott has a 3/8" drain screwed into it. Thomas believed the purpose of that threaded opening was to accommodate a reversing propellor control. Does anyone have an ad indicating what that control looked like? Any answers would be most appreciated.
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Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 109
Registered: 10-2004
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Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 110
Registered: 10-2004
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Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 396
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 09:04 am: |
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While digging around in the Gas Engine Magazine Archives I found this. I wonder where it is now. In spite of the article mentioning "pushrods" It sure looks like a Truscott to me.
click here to go to the GEM archive page. The GEM article was Sept 1966
By the way what does everyone think about GEM going Bi Monthly? Personally I don't like it! |
Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 397
Registered: 01-2002
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While browsing furthur I found more. GEM July 1967
click here
Camden, NJ Andrew...do you have it? |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 191
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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In 1975 I visited the owner of that Truscott(the one that was the subject of the 1966 & 1967 articles to get information on restoring my Truscott. Mr. Hammond lived near Rochester.
I took lots of slides and I scanned some here.
His Truscott is now in a boat and was pictured (someplace but I did not record where) in the last year or so.
Pictures of his engine to follow.
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 192
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 193
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 194
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 195
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Tom Stranko
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Post Number: 196
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 197
Registered: 07-2002
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Hammond's Truscott was serial number 2065 |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 198
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 199
Registered: 07-2002
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These last two images are of Mr. Hammonds engine in the boat that was sent out within the last year or so. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 200
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 201
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 202
Registered: 07-2002
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Just so you can see how it is to be a young and naive collector I'm sending this next picture of my Truscott soaking in a 1/2 steel oil drum of cleaning fluid as I was starting to try to dismantle it. Today I would probably not have attempted any restoration. It was stuck SOLID!! |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 203
Registered: 07-2002
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 204
Registered: 07-2002
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Searcher: Does that lower igniter trip rod bearing (or support) on your Truscott appear to be factory? The only Truscotts I have seen in person were both rusty hulks so have no idea as to original paint, flywheel rim or oiler/greaser ID. It does appear that your engine was about the same size as Mr. Hammonds but the only differences I see are the rear CC flange and the lack of the outboard bearing support on the igniter and the older short water jacket? This would seem to date your engine about like mine at 1902. ( my igniter probably was without the outer bearing but you can see by the above picture that nothing was left outboard of the bolt flange itself and I just copied Hammonds) |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 205
Registered: 07-2002
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This next image is from an original 1902 Truscott catalog showing the propellor pitch control and the "attach point" that seems to have been modified at some later time to connect with the cylinder bottom. I see that the last user of my engine used that opening for an oiler because the remains of the pipes are still on the engine as it was soaking. I looked at all the photos I took as I was machining the bore but none view that rear lower area. I do know that there is no way that area could have been modified from something like a water drain into a cylinder connection without some inter water jacket piping. I suppose it COULD have been modified by drilling into the cylinder if it was originally cast as a solid area from the inner cylinder all the way through the water space. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 206
Registered: 07-2002
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Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 399
Registered: 01-2002
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Tom,
Neat follow up! Thanks
Ernie |
Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 169
Registered: 07-2003
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My engine sure looks to be part of the family.There is no removeable head or igniter and it has 2 cast on places for the reverseing lever.JB was saying he thought that the rough cut removeable piece from the bottem of the crankcase might be a later conversion.The cut is not equal on the sides and it curves.The above engines appear to not have it,but hard to see.Anyone have a picture of mine to add? |
Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 111
Registered: 10-2004
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Tom,
Thanks for responding and thanks for posting the ad. I am not sure what you refer to as the lower trip rod support (I am not that knowledgable about ignitors yet). Is it the anvil that acts as a stop for the beveled piece? If that is the piece you refer to, I believe it to be factory original. If you are trying to make one for your engine, I would be glad to provide you with a plaster impression of the whole bolt flange with integral anvil.
The 1902 Truscott catalog image is great. On my engine, the boss (through which the 3/8" opening was drilled) is not as prominent as on your engine or in the 1902 image you supplied. The water jacket ends well above that opening so the hole goes through solid metal and exits in the crankcase. The hole is threaded for pipe. I am surprised at both the small diameter (3/8") of the opening and the fact that pipe thread was used for supporting the prop pitch control. I recognize that the stress is virtually all compression rather than tension on that part when everything is working right. It just seems so flimsy compared with the way most things were built at that time. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 207
Registered: 07-2002
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Searcher, Thanks. By the way, the pictures of your Truscott were great. Look at your entry 110; if you run your finger directly down from the bottom igniter bolt (6-8") there is a horizontal "rod or bar" that is held to the CC by two screws or bolts and has a bearing that steadies the bottom of the igniter actuator rod as it moves up and down. That steady is the first one I've seen on any Truscott (but I'll tell you that it's needed and should be on all of them.) Does it look like someone added it? |
Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 112
Registered: 10-2004
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Tom, I think this photo is what you are talking about. I have done quite a lot of blacksmithing and have restored old iron other than engines for three decades. I have seen a lot of home shop, blacksmith, and local machine shop repairs to many things over the years. This looks to me like it is a factory job and not something added later.
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Searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 113
Registered: 10-2004
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By the way, I sure would like to buy or trade for an original mixing valve for this Truscott. I put a Lunkenheimer on it that is period and looks good but it would be nice to have the real thing. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 208
Registered: 07-2002
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Yes, That is the part. I wish I had another Truscott mixer but I do not. If you look at the mixer on Keith's Truscott you will see differences between mine. Mostly also my unit is somewhat larger. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 209
Registered: 07-2002
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LARRY: Where can I look at a picture of your Truscott?? |
Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 170
Registered: 07-2003
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I can't post a picture and it does not look like anyone took a picture at calvert.My engine is headles and has verticle shaft in front with a waterpump and a timer on top.It has a sparkplug in the same place as your igniter.It shows up in old truscott literature as a 3 1/2hp special engine.I could find no paint at all on my flywheel, most pictures sent to me of truscotts have the center part of the wheel painted and the outer bare. |
RichardDurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1128
Registered: 11-2001
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Larry is this your engine ?
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 210
Registered: 07-2002
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The three pictures to follow are of a Truscott single, headless with SOME characteristics to the shots Richard thinks are Larry's engine. The casting lugs and bosses for the propellor control (missing on both engines) seem the same. as does the placement of the mixer hole and the igniter port. There are a lot of differences too....like the way the cylinder is designed to bolt on to the CC. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 211
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Tom Stranko
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Post Number: 212
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Tom Stranko
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Post Number: 213
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Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 171
Registered: 07-2003
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Yes the grey one is my engine on my old truck.Thanks for posting it Richard.I wish mine had the bolts holding the top on. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 214
Registered: 07-2002
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Larry, what's inside the flywheel on your engine? It looks like there might be a lot of "stuff" there..like the remains of the spark advance counter weight that Truscott used to set the advance way ahead after starting from the retarded position. Also; does the gearing and timer shaft bearing blocks look original? All the 2 cycle single cylinder Truscott blocks are one piece units in my catalogues up to 1907. I could never really date the engine shown above(we guessed at 1910-12) |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 215
Registered: 07-2002
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Looking at the placement of your water inlet I would have to say you probably have a later Truscott that was creatively modified to be a HV spark ignition engine. Why else would a designer put the water inlet directly behind the timer shaft?
Since your engine still has the (old) 2 bolt eliptical shaped igniter housing and the "GREEN" engine above has a 3 bolt round igniter, I would say your ingine falls between the 1907 model and the "GREEN" or 1912 model. (Just my 2 cents) |
Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 172
Registered: 07-2003
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Well my flywheel does have the weight on an arm and a spring.The only thit has is a small wiper arm that looks like it was to cut out the ignition if the engine went too fast. As for age richard found a picture and discription of it that was dated 1906. This picture included the verticle shaft like mine,with waterpump and timer. I know it looks bad that the name tag holes are there ,but there is no room for it with the waterpump. Have you seen any engines with the rough cut off piece on the bottem? |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 216
Registered: 07-2002
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Richard: Any chance of posting that "1906" picture here? Larry: what is the cut off piece on the bottom you are refering to?
I do not see it in any of these pictures? (need a picture to discuss it, can you mail a picture to someone who can scan it for the OME??) |
Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 173
Registered: 07-2003
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No i don't have any pictures.The bottem 2 bolts in the bolt circle hold a piece of the casting that was cut away from it.It looks to have been done freehand with a hacksaw. I think it was done to machine the cylinder. If so you would think the factory could make a nice straight cut.Its very tight getting the engine together as is, so without the cut it might be impossible.There is allso a pipe plug in this piece,but doing the machineing through that hole seems hard to impossable. |
J.B. Castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 132
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 07:06 am: |
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Tom, Larry's engine is a one piece casting from top to bottom, it's headless and the crankcase was cast with it. There's a large plug on the bottom of the base where the factory could have reached the cylinder with a boring bar, the piston would have to go in from the end flange hole on the case. The bottom of the case has been sawed off below the mounts, looks to be freehand, at an angle. I don't think it was a factory job, someone may have rebored or sleeved it. There was no factory provision to bolt it back together. |
Tom Stranko
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 217
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Thanks everyone. I see the problem (so to speak). I do not believe I have seen such a mod on any other engine ever. Would it be to much to think that the "rebuilder" who cut off the lower CC also decided to convert the engine to HT ignition at the same time? This is one of those things we will never be able to know for sure.
T |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1197
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:53 pm: |
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Truscott in New York ??
This is a December 1905 ad in The MotorBoat!
Staten Island Motorboat Works
( Old Truscott Plant )
Port Richmond Staten Island, New York
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Tom Stranko
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 239
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 03:47 pm: |
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Richard, I'm suprised that you never heard of the famous Truscott ladies corset factory
that was located on Long Island. It was the site of the big 1912 ILGWU rally; it was in all the papers :-) |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 04:57 pm: |
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Tom
Actually I'm surprised at how much I don't know sometimes myself !!
Thanks for info on this one! Ladies Corsets To Marine engine mfgring-- Hhmmm guess they had to get all new machinery ?? |
