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hork
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Username: hork
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 11:26 pm: | 
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This has been stored for some time and the owner would like to see if anyone would have info or interest.located in fla.
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hork
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Username: hork
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 03:54 pm: |
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This 1906 Giles twin was salvaged from a boat along with it's prop,shaft,other equipment and has some documentation.The boat was not sunk,just scrapped and engine was running at the time.I will post more pics when I get them.
Is this the only 06 Giles twin on the planet? My googles have come up dry. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 177
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 04:08 pm: |
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I suggest you use the search function on this site, you will find plenty of information about these engines, There have been many discussions about them |
hork
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Username: hork
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 04:22 pm: |
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I searched this board and found 1 post where a senior member posted some very good documentation and stated he had never seen an origonal Gile. |
bruce
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Username: bruce
Post Number: 120
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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Nice Gile single for sale at The Canandaigua NY steam pageant a few weeks ago-a canoe motor. It was near Lee Pedersons sales tent-may have been his |
solarrog
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 178
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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Ok here is some information from Stan Graysons book. Old Marine Engines. There may be more information available in that book but it was not written with a index to text matter, Pick up a copy and read through its very useful
Gile Boat and Engine co. Trade name Gile
Ludigton, MI
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This is from C.H. Wendels American Gasoline Engines since 1872
By 1911 Gile boat and Engine Co. of Ludington, Michigan was producing and extensive line of marine engines, ranging in size from 3 HP to 20 HP. These engine were of the 2 stroke design, and built for maximum power with a minimum of weight. The 3 Hp single cylinder model weighed but 85 lbs, with the 20 Hp four cylinder model scaling at 410 Lbs. Prices for 1911 were quite competive, with the 3 HP model selling for $45. Others were 5HP 1 Cylinder $75. 6HP 2 cylinder $90. 10 HP 2 cylinder $150. 15HP 3 Cylinder $225, and the 20HP 4 cylinder $300. Gile was in the tractor business by 1912, and eventually sold out to Stearns Motor Company. Lets hope this is of some help to you |
solarrog
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 179
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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oh well I tried to edit it, but it posted instead. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 180
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 01:05 am: |
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A little more information
a second company named Gile Marine engine co. from Boston, MA dating 1917 was found in
Mark Meincke's book The complete gide to Stationary gas engines |
hork
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Username: hork
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 02:11 am: |
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Note from Fla. contact,
There is no visable markings on the engine, no name plate. But there was something I remember the last time I looked at it, that told me that it was a 1906 Gile. How ever, The man that knew the boat when it worked said that " He thought that the boat the engine came from was a 1902 planker" a deep vee bough with a flat bottom and a tunnel hull for the prop to turn so it could run in very shallow water. In the box in one off the pics was a set of new rings rods an pistons, a set of sparkplugs, all of the brass and bronze parts that were on the boat and the original coil set in a dovetail oak box. All of the parts needed to make the engine run are here and the engine turns free.
     
There is also a manual for the engine. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 187
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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Is there a price yet?
still waiting |
hork
Member
Username: hork
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 02:19 pm: |
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Sorry, no value has been set by the owner. This posting is an effort to learn the value and marketing potential of this engine. She may want to restore it for a running display or have a replica boat built for it, whatever brings the most $. We are finding less rare engines under $1,000.00 and running boats of this vintage selling for tens of thousands. I have yet to see another Gile twin for sale or even a picture of one. The research is still on. |
luthier
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Username: luthier
Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 06:04 pm: |
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I think it is very important that this site should never be used or construed as an apraisal site.The information that everyone is willing to give for free is the true benifet of this site . This information regarding history and suggestions regarding restoration is worth more than any motor that one wishes to restore. I, for one,have found this to be more than true and I thank all those who have helped me. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 461
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 07:33 pm: |
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Good call Luthier |
hork
Member
Username: hork
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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I understand the value of this forum and in no way would think it is only good for pricing an antique,however , in this case I'm trying to help the owner and hope that the pictures and info posted will help others who may not find or even see another engine like it.
I will try to get the owner to set a price and put this engine in the classified ,as is.
I have much interest in antique engines and have personaly spent more money on hobbies than most others can justify , so I know how hard it is to put a market value on such things.
If I can get pics of the manual and other hardware I will try to post them.
If anyone has seen another picture of a Gile twin like this or the boat it would have been offered in,please post or point me to it. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1231
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Not wanting to dash any cold water here but After looking at the photos of this engine does it not look like many other of the Detroit jefferson avenue engines ?? 4 hole flywheel, that unmistakable wet exhaust , shape of the cylinder etc ?
No tag, no invoice or paper work- why assume it to be a Gile ??
The Gile designed and patented marine engines were mfgd by C.T Wright and looked quite different with nice swept manifolds etc.
Wright bought the Gile patents and his factory out in 1907 and Gile worked for Wright, he left in 1908 and by 1909 formed a second Gile Co. but the engines he sold were the Detroits! Strange as it sounds C.T.Wright kept mfgring Gile engines and also supplemented some diferent Hp options by buying Detroit engines as well ??
It's possible That the engine above is a 1906- we know these wet exhausts were first mfgd in that year, but if the engine was sold by Gile or C.T Wright then the earliest it would be is 1909 ?
Only one mans opinion here-- and I'm still looking foreward to seeing my first authentic Gile Marine engine !! |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 188
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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Please excuse my reference to price on this engine list, It came from fusteration of having made an offer off list, and never hereing back
That offer can be considered revoked
this hobby is making me crazy
so many engines and so little money
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hork
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Username: hork
Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 06:28 pm: |
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The engine will be moved to a garage this weekend where it can be inspected better.I was just told that the name and date are cast on the flywheel ,GILE 1906 ,and the Gile manual that shows this engine was printed in 1911. Still waiting on pics of manual. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 215
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 06:06 pm: |
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Just a small addition to the information provided earlier, I have learned the the C.T. Wright company bought the Gile company marine engine rights in 1909 and continued to manufactor them for a while |
solarrog
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 229
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 07:38 pm: |
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heres a single that just closed on ebay
220082151861 |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1527
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 03:38 pm: |
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Gile & C.t. Wright history !
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Jeff Barg
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 08:55 pm: |
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Engine still available? |
johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 226
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 09:46 am: |
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Anyone know what ever happened to this marine engine? It would be good to know that it went to a safe place. I would have liked to have seen a photo of the Gile name and date that was cast into the flywheel. |
jongra
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Username: jongra
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 12:57 pm: |
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Hi, just found the forum. Here's my Gile, if anybody knows an exact year, I'd appreciate it. This one is in Finland, will be placed to a steel launch of early 1900's. The exhaust manifold is kinda robust, looks like a product of a local blacksmith?  |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2325
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 10:27 am: |
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Jongra
Your engine is like the black colored twin at the top of this post, it originally came with the large cast wet condenser assembly you see on that engine. The Diamond shaped brass tag with the :Gile Boat & Engine Co.Ludington, Michigan" was a company started by William Gile in 1909, he sold his interests in 1912 but the Co. mfgrd engines until about 1916 ca. These engines were not the Gile patented engines that he designed and mfgrd in about 1900 to 1907. Gile had sold his patent rights to those engines. With this new Co. in 1909 he bought Detroit Engine Works engines and put his brass tags on them.I would date your engine 1909-10 ca.
John Davis a member here has a web page dedicated to "Detroit"- a lot of info to sort out there but any detail questions you have he regularly posts on this web site.
http://www.antiquengines.com/Identifying_Engines_&_Parts.htm
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A few yrs back this history of Gile was aslo posted here
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/91492.html#POST13958
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jongra
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Username: jongra
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 01:48 pm: |
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Hi Richard, and thank you so much for information. And if anybody has parts, I'm keen on buying, specially that wet condenser. Thanks! |
