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Mike Richter
New member
Username: oldtractorfart
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 05:11 pm: | 
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I am Trying to identify this engine and see if it has any value. I am a old tractor collector. This engine sat in a dry basement for 50 years. Decent compression. All parts move. I can e-mail better pictures. Thanks for help.
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 790
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 06:42 pm: |
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Mike,
e-mail me the pics and I will post them at a higher resolution.
I am sure one of us can assist you.
My best guess right now is that it is one of the Detroit family of engines
Click on my name to the left for my e-mail
Hope this helps
Ernie |
Roger DiRuscio
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 291
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 06:57 pm: |
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The cylinder looks like one of the Detroit family of engines |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 791
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 08:24 am: |
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Here are Mike's Pics
Definatly one of the Detroit family
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RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1636
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 09:53 am: |
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Thanks Mike & Ernie for photos, and to quote Ernie sometimes ------ " YUP " ---- its one of the Detroits.
Years back when looking into many of the marine engine mfgrs and continually coming across The Detroit Jefferson Avenue address and not being able to distiguish one eng from the other I called them Jefferson avenue engines. I have never researched its History but from my notes I have 16 different Marine eng mfgrs on Jefferson as well as Hupmobile and Hudson. Chrylser made its first car at its Jefferson Ave plant in 1925 and closed it in 1990, also untold mfgrs of parts & accessories, car dealerships, etc-- Maybe the most prolific single street in America of gas powered manufacturing ??. Quite some heritage !
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John Davis
Senior Member
Username: johnny
Post Number: 159
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 02:23 pm: |
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Mike,
Here is what I can tell about your engine. It appears to be a late model Detroit marine engine. Manufactured or tagged by one of five companies that were all under the same ownership and management. Detroit Engine Works, Detroit Motor Car Supply Company, Columbia Engine Company, Michigan Steel Boat Company, Detroit Boat Company.
Detroit Motor Car Supply Company called most of their engines the "Sandow". The square inspection plate and the adjustable water valve on the exhaust manifold are a indication of a later model engine. Probably built sometime between 1909 to 1919. Looks like it has a Williams mixer instead of a carburetor. Two drip oilers one lubricates the cylinder,piston & upper con rod. The other oiler lubricates the lower con rod by means of centrifugal force using a metal disk that is connected to the crankshaft. The metal disk has a rolled over lip on the outside edge that catches the oil and forces it into hole that leeds to the lower con rod. Your engine appears to be complete with exception to a round cast iron muffler. You can find a lot of photos & information on Detroit engines by doing a search on this site. Also by visiting my website listed below.
http://www.antiquengines.com/Detroit_Engine_Works_Menu.htm
Regards
John Davis |
miro forest
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 314
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 04:52 pm: |
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Interesting engine - I would have thought that it would be an earlier engine rather than a later engine.
Oil / gas mix came in about 1908 - 1910 I think, so having the drip oilers would indicate an earlier engine. The oillers wold no longer have been needed with mixed fuel.
Plus the mixing valve would have been replaced by a carb on later models.
miro |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 797
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 06:06 pm: |
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The Detroit family hung onto them quite late. Maybe due to the ones they offered with fuel injection which required them as there was no fuel to mix with oil passing through the base.
So maybe they just put em on all models??? |
John Davis
Senior Member
Username: johnny
Post Number: 160
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 07:24 pm: |
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Ernie is correct. According to literature Detroit Engine Works and their related companies used the drip oilers on most all of their 2 cycle stationary and marine engines to lubricate the top end and lower end. Some marine engines did use a greaser for lubricating the lower con rod instead of a oiler. This drip oiling method was done right up till the time they went out of business around the 1919 -1920 time period. Original Detroit parts list and catalogs show that you could pretty much order a carb, mixer or fuel injector to run on your engine and they were all three offered in the same catalog. Although some of the early Detroit marine engines did not have the proper threaded holes in the cylinder for running fuel injection. |
